In this podcast with elite physique and bodybuilding coaches Paul Romzek and Mike Ryan White PhD(c) of Grey Matter Training, we discuss:

- SLU vs. Clen

- Unlocking new progress in training

- GH Dosing

- Nootropics

- Controversies in Pro Cards

- What drives metabolic differences - why some people can eat more in a prep

- And more!

Jay Campbell is a 5x international best-selling author, men's physique champion, and the Owner and Co-Founder of BioLongevity Labs. Jay is also the author of The Definitive Testosterone Replacement Therapy Manual: How to Optimize Your Testosterone for Lifelong Health and Happiness”.  Widely recognized as a leading expert on hormonal optimization, therapeutic peptides, and biohacking for health and performance, Jay is on a mission to help individuals break free from the failing "sick care" system and take control of their health.

Matt Norman is an IFBB pro bodybuilder in classic physique and an online physique and posing coach. Matt had an impressive pro debut with 2 top 10 finishes (9th in Indy and 6th in Chicago) after starting prep with a torn bicep injury. He’s also a proud dad and husband.

Josh Jefferson is an elite online physique coach for people over 25 who has helped his clients lose over 1,000 lbs and is an NPC classic physique competitor. He just finished an impressive competitive season, competing at Jr. Nationals and NPC Universe in the Classic division. Josh is also the owner of a gym in Hicksville, NY. Finally, Josh is a co-host on the excellent One More Rep podcast with my good friend Joseph Pircher and Austin Brown.

Austin Brown is an online fitness and elite physique coach who helps bodybuilders earn pro cards and lifestyle clients achieve the best shape of their lives. His coaching brand is Distinguished Training and Nutrition. Austin has been coaching for over a decade and bodybuilding for even longer, and recently placed 3rd at the Arnold Classic Amateur as a Heavyweight. He’s also a co-host on the One More Rep podcast with my good friend Joseph Pircher - one of the best bodybuilding podcasts, which I listen to for every episode.

Jesse DiStefano is a new IFBB Pro bodybuilder, earning his pro card earlier this month at the NPC Universe in the 35+ Lightweight category. Jesse has been competing in bodybuilding for over a decade including multiple national shows. He’s a full-time UPS driver and father of 3 coached by Chris Tuttle.

Taylor Moore is an online fitness and elite physique coach, helping bodybuilders earn pro cards and lifestyle clients achieve the best shape of their lives. Taylor is a young coach but has a STACKED resume, including overall wins, pro card wins, and hundreds of life-changing transformations.

Mauro Stara is the founder of Six Pack CEO and a peak-performance strategist for time-pressed leaders. Drawing on his background in banking and a science‑driven approach that starts with deep biomarker analysis, Mauro helps CEOs resolve hidden hormonal roadblocks, build cover‑model physiques, and unlock the energy they need to scale their companies without sacrificing health or family life.

Tommy Conley is an NPC classic physique competitor who just won the overall at the NPC Midsouth Muscle Showdown. He’s coached by Dom Kuza and is a father of 5. Tommy’s wife, April is an IFBB Pro in Bikini and 3x Master’s Olympia qualified competitor.